EP 160: Your Faith When You Lose Everything: Job Part One

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We are starting our series on the book of Job this week. We will start with an introduction of who Job is, where the events take place, who are the people involved in the story and what are the major themes of the book of Job. There is more to the story of Job than suffering. Come and discover the treasures of this book.

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Job Intro Transcript

[00:00:00] What if all of your children died, your home was completely destroyed, your body was covered in some horrible disease, all in one day? Would you still trust God? Well, that very thing happened to Job in the Bible, who is the focus of my next Bible study series. Many survivors have told me that they hate the story of Job.

[00:00:31] But there is so much more to the Book of Job than suffering, so come and join me and find out the riches of this book, next on the Wounds of the Faithful podcast.

[00:00:45] Welcome to the Wounds of the Faithful podcast, brought to you by DSW Ministries. Your host is singer, songwriter, speaker, and domestic violence advocate, Diana Winkler. She is passionate [00:01:00] about helping survivors in the church heal from domestic violence and abuse and trauma. This podcast is not a substitute for professional counseling or qualified medical help.

[00:01:11] Now, here is Diana.

[00:01:19] Hello, welcome, welcome, my friends, new and old friends. Like I… Said in the intro, we are starting part one of our series on Job today. Yes, that’s a mammoth undertaking. I’ve been talking about this for a little while now, and I’m finally ready to record here and share things with you. Uh, this is a huge book with a lot of meat to chew on.

[00:01:50] And as I mentioned last week that we’re going to start doing 30 to 40 minute episodes for the podcast, a [00:02:00] little more digestible, uh, shorter episodes, but I want you to get all of the content. I’ve been wanting to do this Bible study for a while, but I didn’t have the time that it required to do this studying until I took my medical leave this year and that gave me some extra time to really do this justice the way that I wanted it to.

[00:02:29] So if you’re new here, I was recovering from my third surgery this year, two weeks of bed rest for each of those. And, so,

[00:02:40] we will see how far we get today. When people say they don’t like the Book of Job, I understand that, because when I was being preached to in the Fundamental Baptist circles that I was a part of, I always thought that the preachers were portraying [00:03:00] Job as somebody That was sinning because he was questioning God or sinning because he was in despair or sinning because, he lost everything or asking questions about God.

[00:03:12] And then it was always preached to me when God came out of the world, when that God was like yelling at Job, like, how dare you, talk to me , or how dare you question me? But. As I’ve been studying, I don’t believe that that’s how God is at all. We’re going to get to that, but I’m going to try and get through the introduction and hopefully the first chapter of Job, if I can today.

[00:03:40] So why do a study on Job? Well, there’s so much to learn. Most people think it’s all about suffering, but it is not. You learn about the nature of God, angels, creation, the flood, marriage, friendships, [00:04:00] science even. Even if we don’t answer the question about why we suffer, which we probably won’t, you will come away with your own nuggets of discovery, and those will be different for everybody.

[00:04:15] As with previous Bible studies we’ve done in the past. I do not hold all the answers, even though I’ve had formal training in the scriptures, was in full time ministry for many years. I’m still learning new things. I don’t think we’ll ever know everything about the Bible and God on this side of eternity.

[00:04:37] It is a lifelong journey. So, don’t be discouraged if you don’t understand something or you need more clarification. That’s okay. There are lots of tools out there to help anyone who wants to study the Word of God for themselves. So, you are welcome to read ahead if you want. Follow along with me. You don’t have to agree [00:05:00] with everything that I say.

[00:05:01] I’m just trying to come from a…

[00:05:04] A trauma survivor’s perspective, an abuse survivor’s perspective, you and I have trauma from, from religious institutions, from our churches, with the Bible being, twisted for their, agendas in order to control us. So I think that my goal for this study is that. I’m going to show you who God is, and I’m going to show you about trauma, Job, how he responded to trauma, and his friends, and, oh, there’s going to be so much, here, so many things to talk about, but I’m not going to be going verse by verse for everything.

[00:05:47] Probably the first few chapters, yes, and maybe the last few chapters, I’ll be going verse by verse. Um, the middle stuff with Job’s friends, which they each. Talked back and [00:06:00] forth with Job seven times, I think, and a lot of it’s repetitive. I’m just going to pick out some things that I want you to recognize.

[00:06:08] You definitely can read all of that and pick out your own nuggets, but I’m going to just point out some things in the middle of the book of Job where his friends are beating him up, and some things that we can learn from. So, as I also mentioned in previous episodes, I am not your pastor, and this is not a church.

[00:06:30] This is a podcast, free speech and all, right? Anybody can start a podcast. and share. I have a mixed audience of men and women who are all welcome to listen and study along with me. I am just sharing my discoveries in scripture with you listeners, and I don’t have any authority over you.

[00:06:52] So I wanted to make that very clear. Um, and why am I mentioning this? Because I see on [00:07:00] social media and Twitter discussions or arguments about this very thing, which it’s stupid. So that’s all I’m going to say about that. Everyone’s welcome. So where I’m going to start, I’m going to start on some background on the book of Job, just briefly.

[00:07:16] The Book of Job is a beautiful poetical book. You’re going to see some really deep emotions and you’re going to learn about human nature and there are some insights into modern science, believe it or not, and we get to probe the heart of God. Now it is the oldest book of the Bible, second only to the first 11 chapters in the Book of Genesis.

[00:07:43] So this was the time period before Moses and Abraham. And there are a couple clues that throughout the book that tell us that this was all before the law of Moses, God’s covenant with the nation of Israel. Nothing [00:08:00] mentioned of the Ten Commandments, kings, judges, or prophets, but even before the Law of Moses,

[00:08:06] divine laws were given by God to men and women, right and wrong, sin and judgment, and rewards. He had different methods of communicating those things. If you read in Genesis, they were there.

[00:08:20] So let’s look at Genesis 26: 5, because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

[00:08:32] So a lot of Those things were verbal.

[00:08:35] Some were tradition passed along family to family. Handed down, and then maybe written down, so everybody would know. And then Job 23. 12, Job knew. of the commandments.

[00:08:51] I have not departed from the commandment of his lips. I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my portion of food. [00:09:00] So, yes, Job knew that there were some laws. Job 22, 22.

[00:09:06] So this, this quote is from Job’s friends. Job 22 22 says accept instruction from his mouth and lay up his words in your heart So they knew that.

[00:09:18] And I’d like to point out that there were animal Sacrifices by the head of the family even before the law of Moses came around they all believed In the creation of the earth, the creation of themselves, there are references to the creation, the flood of Noah and the dispersion after the flood. There’s a lack of pantheism in the book of Job.

[00:09:41] You won’t see a lot of paganism here.

[00:09:45] So, how old was Job when the suffering began? Well, about 70 years old due to the age and number of his children and maybe a little bit of math there. Job lived 140 years [00:10:00] after the events in the book of Job around 2000 BC. So that was during the age of the early patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, Jacob on down the line.

[00:10:13] and this takes place in the land of U where is UZ? Now, that’s associated with the land of Edom, and if you know where the Dead Sea is, it’s the south end of the Dead Sea, in that general vicinity. So, if you get a map out, you can look and see that. Now, who was Job? Some skeptics and liberals, they often deny that Job was a real person.

[00:10:43] They think that he was fiction, or this is just a made up story for a lesson, but how do you know if it’s like a parable or, a story to teach a lesson rather than telling a [00:11:00] historical account? Well, you tell the difference by looking at the rest of scripture to see if this story or this person is mentioned in other places, mentioned by other Bible characters.

[00:11:14] So for example, Job was mentioned by Ezekiel and, the book of James also mentions Job. Job 5. 13 was quoted in 1 Corinthians 3. 19. So let’s look at Job 5. 13. He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought down to a quick end. And let’s look at 1 Corinthians 3. 19, 1 for the wisdom of this world is folly with God, for it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness. And again, the Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile. So yeah, I’m going to hold that Job was a real person. [00:12:00] As a allegorical, like for example, the Prodigal Son is a story that Jesus told to illustrate a lesson to those that were listening. You don’t know the names of the father or the two sons. The parables that Jesus taught were stories to illustrate a truth.

[00:12:20] So it’s okay if you want to think of Job as a story. I don’t hold to that position because Job is mentioned in other parts of the Bible. And Job is named, his friends are named. We don’t know the name of his wife, but Job also mentions other things that go on in the Bible in the future. anyway. That is my viewpoint, that’s how I’m going to approach this book, is that Job is a real person who lived.

[00:12:50] So let’s see, Noah lived 350 years and then Shem for 502 years after the flood. [00:13:00] So, it is possible that Job’s life overlapped theirs. Abraham was born 292 years after the flood, so that’s some dates for you where this book fits in. If you’re not familiar with how the Bible is organized, traditionally, Genesis through Revelation, they are not in historical order.

[00:13:24] You can buy a chronological Bible where… The books are arranged in order of, timeline. And some of the books, the timeline overlaps. So, Job would be right smack in the middle of Genesis. Because Job knew all of the knowledge from Genesis. Now, here’s

[00:13:44] another question I’d like to answer. Who wrote the book of Job? And there are a few views on this as well. You can pick which one makes sense to you.

[00:13:55] So Job was found with the Dead Sea Scrolls and accepted [00:14:00] as, Canon, which means the acceptable books that Christianity as a whole accept as Bible truth. Scriptures Inspired by God,

[00:14:11] so who wrote the book of Job. So, Job is part of the collection of wisdom literature. So, Job’s Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes are all wisdom literature. They’re all very poetic, and they are attributed to Moses by many. Job is recognized as So important to the revelation of God and of scripture. Now, it is possible Moses acquired the story of Job from Job’s grandchildren or his children. so yeah, Moses could have written down this story.

[00:14:47] And Again, there are many views.

[00:14:50] Job and Genesis could only be written by a first count eyewitness. So, this is from Job’s perspective. So, [00:15:00] somebody had to have been an eyewitness. Now, Job could have written his story down, and you ask, well, what about in the beginning? Who’s telling the story at the throne room of God, and, Satan and, and the other angels are presenting themselves before the Lord?

[00:15:17] Well, I believe that it was. Probably a vision by God to either Moses or Job himself. Perhaps after this all transpired.

[00:15:27] Job could have been the only author. The scenes in heaven were maybe shown through the Holy Spirit after the fact. In Job 19, 23, and 24, surely he wanted to record his experiences.

[00:15:44] So, Job 24. It says, Oh, that my words were written. Oh, that they were inscribed in a book. Oh, that with an iron pen and lead they were engraved in the rock forever.

[00:15:59] So, [00:16:00] I’m going to try and break the book into three sections. The original tragedy, two would be his rotten friends, I’ll lump them all together and then God’s response and Job’s restoration will be, But what is the purpose of the book of Job? It’s not to tell us why Job suffered or why we suffer. The purpose is to demonstrate God’s sovereignty to the angels. It’s pretty much to put the angels in their place. And a lot of people don’t want to hear that.

[00:16:33] They want answers. Well, sometimes we learn afterwards some of the answers, and sometimes we, we don’t ever learn the reason for our suffering was until we reached the other side of eternity. But anyway, I’m going to get started here on chapter one.

[00:16:53] So in the front of my introduction to Job in my, my Bible, it says, Job [00:17:00] may serve as a corrective action against an oversimplified application of the biblical teaching sometimes called the law of retribution. This principle simply put is that God rewards those who do good and punishes those who do evil.

[00:17:17] It is an affirmation of the justice of God. Job is thought by his friends to be undergoing punishment by God and therefore he must have done something evil. However, the prologue and God’s final speech make it clear that Job is a righteous man whose suffering arises from a cause revealed to the reader.

[00:17:39] The main point of God’s speeches in chapters 38 and 39, man cannot know all the ways of God.

[00:17:48] So let’s start in Job chapter 1, I’m just going to read from my book. My personal Bible, because I’ve got my highlighted stuff in my notes. verse one. There was a man in the [00:18:00] land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from evil. So let’s talk about that word blameless.

[00:18:13] This does not mean that Job was sinless, but he was blameless. There’s a huge difference. Now sin, Is usually between us and God,

[00:18:23] regardless of how good we think we are between us and God, we are not perfect. We are never sinless because our nature is sinful. We are born with a sinful nature, every one of us. Now, are we in open, blatant sin on purpose? And yeah, you are

[00:18:42] actively sinning against God. That’s a little bit different. That is different than, my nature is sinful as a human being. That is between God and man, mankind. Now being blameless is between [00:19:00] us and mankind.

[00:19:01] So our peers cannot see our hearts, they cannot see our thoughts, at least not yet.

[00:19:08] So as far as the Bible states, Job lived before his fellow man. Nobody could say anything against Job, morally. His reputation was spotless, so… That’s what blameless means. Nobody could point a finger and say, you know, Job doesn’t pay his taxes or Job beats his wife or Job isn’t compassionate towards people that you know, they’re less fortunate, you know, Job steals from me, whatever.

[00:19:40] So I wanted to make sure you knew. The difference between the two. We can be blameless before our neighbors, before our coworkers. It is impossible to be sinless before God. That’s why Jesus came and stood in our place. He took our sins, the penalty for our [00:20:00] sins, away so we could spend eternity with him.

[00:20:03] So we are righteous before God if we are trusting in Christ, so let’s move forward here.

[00:20:10] Verse 2. There were born to him seven sons and three daughters. He possessed 7, 000 sheep and 3, 000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, 500 female donkeys, and very many servants, so that this man was the greatest of all the people of the east. His sons used to go and hold a feast. In the house of each one on his day, and most people believe that that is their birthday.

[00:20:38] And they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. And when the days of the feast had run their course, Job would send and consecrate them. He would rise early in the morning and offering burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, It may be that my children have [00:21:00] sinned and cursed God in their hearts.

[00:21:02] Thus, Job did this continually. Alright, so Job’s first recorded act is to offer sacrifices for sin.

[00:21:11] It is possible for sinful men to be genuinely good.

[00:21:16] Like what he says here. It may be that my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts. Just in case. Maybe my children have sinned against God, and I didn’t know about it, but I want to protect them. I want them to be right before God, so I’m going to do a sacrifice for them.

[00:21:36] That shows a lot of love and care for his family and the head of the household.

[00:21:42] It seemed like he had a good relationship with his children. The children got along with each other. It sounds like when we read this short chapter that they had a great family.

[00:21:55] They wanted to address the word feared God.

[00:21:58] Fearing God [00:22:00] doesn’t necessarily mean you’re shaking in your boots waiting for the, you know, the judgment of God to come raining down on you. It is understood that when they say fear God it means respect for God, his laws, and who he is as the creator. It says here in my commentary, Fearing God is a common way of speaking about having faith in God, especially in the wisdom tradition.

[00:22:25] This fear of God is demonstrated in Job as one who turned away from evil.

[00:22:29] He was a pious man who lived a life consistent

[00:22:34] Job’s suffering is not punishment for any blatant and open sin.

[00:22:40] So, back in the day, you were wealthy by how many children you had, and how much livestock you had, and probably how big your house is. He was very wealthy here.

[00:22:53] So we didn’t really even get through chapter one. I want to stay true to my word [00:23:00] in that we were going to do short. Bite sized episodes on this topic and as you can see there’s a lot to talk about a lot of things to Discover and so the next week i’m going to do when satan is allowed to test joe and we’re going to talk about what angels are and How does satan get access to the throne of god?

[00:23:26] How does satan get to do these things? So I do want you to come back next week. We’re gonna just dive in even further into this book. And so we’re done with the introductory stuff so we can get into the meat here. So hopefully you’ve enjoyed this so far and you can start reading for yourself.

[00:23:48] So join me next week on the Wounds of the Faithful podcast. God bless you. Bye for now.

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